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Postrehy • 13.01.2008 • Stanislav Bačík

To, ako vidím Španielsko, som sa snažil viac krát zachytiť v mojich "exiláckych" textoch. Nedávno mi však napadlo, že by mohlo byť zaujímavé, nechať o ňom rozprávať samotných Španielov. Pripravili sme spolu s mojou ženou zopár otázok, na ktoré nám potom naši známi a priatelia odpovedali. Všetci žijú v Madride, majú tak do tridsiatky, takže je to pohľad mladého človeka z veľkomesta, a dokonca z hlavného mesta. Odpovede ma niekedy celkom prekvapili, niekedy si aj protirečili, určite by sa ohľadom nich dalo diskutovať. Ale nechceli sme robiť žiaden výskum, je to proste len pár názorov niekoľkých Španielov o nich samých. Tak to tak prosím aj berte.

Rozdelil som text do dvoch dielov, v tom dnešnom sú to odpovede na prvých päť našich otázok.
V druhom diely to budú štyri naše otázky, okrem nich však ešte aj jedna otázka, ktorú si mohol sám vymyslieť každý z našich odpovedajúcich. A samozrejme aj ich odpoveď.

Takže nech sa páči, prvých päť.

Aký je typický Španiel?

Jaime: Nuž, to závisí od osobnosti každého. Ale vo všeobecnosti snáď človek veselý a sympatický, ktorý je rád vonku (v meste, na ulici) a venuje väčšinu svojho voľného času zábave. A tiež, aj keď myslím že stále menej, sa rád stretáva so svojou rodinou, kvôli jedlu, oslavám, rozhovorom atď.

Helena: Otvorený (vďaka nášmu slnku), prešibaný (toto je dar mnohých civilizácií ktoré nás toľké stáročia ovládali), komunikatívny (zdar našemu podnebiu) a ľudský (sme jedna z veľmi štedrých krajín čo sa týka darov, adopcie a pomoci).

Typický Španiel generácie našich rodičov a starých rodičov je pracant a "mačista".

Španieli, ktorí dospievajú teraz, resp. už dávno dospieť mali, sú málo konformní a pracovití. Proste, viac sa sťažujú ako pracujú.


Život v Španielsku. Čo sa ti na ňom páči najviac?

José: V porovnaní s inými krajinami by som povedal, že najviac sa mi pozdáva klíma a rozmanitosť krajiny - od severu na juh je veľmi rozdielna.

Jaime: Najviac sa mi páči naše slnko.

Helena: Páči sa mi jeho kultúra, história, jeho ľudia. Páči sa mi skutočnosť, že sa vždy nájde reštaurácia, pub, múzeum, divadlo, ktoré je otvorené a vo vnútri sú ľudia. Ulice sú vždy živé a plné možností na všetky spôsoby. V Španielsku sa veľmi vychutnáva jedlo a pitie, čo je vidieť na každom kroku a nikdy sa kvôli tomu necítiš divne, pretože sa vždy nájde niekto, kto si ho vychutnáva ešte viac.


A čo sa ti nepáči?

Jaime: Nepáči sa mi správanie podľa "príslovia": Nerob dnes to, čo môžeš odložiť na zajtra. (Smiech)

José: Myslím si, že momentálne je najhoršia situácia v nákladoch na bývanie. Je to najväčší problém a týka sa skoro všetkých. Ceny stúpli ako pri prenájme, tak aj pri kúpe nehnuteľností a je veľmi ťažké dovoliť si popri nich míňať aj na niečo iné.

Helena: Nepáči sa mi, ako nás od malička manipulujú prekrúcaním historických faktov podľa toho, ktorá politická strana je práve pri moci.


Čo si myslíš o snehu? Znamená to slovo pre teba niečo?

Minerva: Sneh? Je studený, že? (Smiech) Pravdu povediac neznamená pre mňa nič. Pár krát v živote som sa ho dotkla a nechýba mi. Nepáči sa mi lyžovanie ani hory.

José: Konkrétne mne, a myslím že skoro všetkým Španielom, sa sneh páči. Aj napriek tomu, že sneh so sebou niekedy prináša problémy v doprave a cestovaní. Takmer všetkým sa páči dívať ako sneží a potom si sneh vychutnať. Slovo sneh sa mi spája s niečim dobrým, nielen kvôli jeho kráse a tomu ako si ho človek môže užiť, ale preto, že sneh tak ako dážď, je potrebný pre žatvu, kvôli vode v zdržiach atď. V Španielsku existuje príslovie: Rok so snehom, rok plný dobra. Pre to všetko o čom som hovoril.

Poznámka prekladateľa: Ono to tu v texte s tými zdržiami vyzerá trošku smiešne, ale je pravde, že minimálne v tejto centrálnej časti Španielska, býva s vodou niekedy problém. Dokonca vraj v niektoré suchšie roky zvykne byť napr. v Madride dodávka vody regulovaná. Neviem, nezažili sme to.


Ktoré španielske jedlo ti najviac chutí a prečo?

José: Namiesto jedného uvediem dve: prasiatko a jamón. To prvé sa je ako hlavné jedlo, to druhé ako chuťovka alebo na olovrant. Obe sú veľmi chutné a aj keď sú pre túto oblasť typické, nejedia sa tak často. O to viac človeku chutia.

To prasiatko, ešte maličké, ani nie odstavené od prasnice, sa pečie v rúre v celku alebo rozsekané na malé kusy, nekorení sa veľmi, ale je lahodné.

Jamón je typická španielska špecialita. Je to bravčová noha, ktorá sa v celku najprv pár dní konzervuje v soli a potom sa rok alebo aj dlhšie nechá pri konkrétnej teplote a vlhkosti sušiť.

Jaime: Cocido madrileño (v preklade: varené madridské /mäso/). Je sa horúce a preto výborne padne, keď je vonku chladno. Skladá sa z vývaru z cocida, ktorý sa podáva s rezancami. Môže sa doň pridať aj cícer, mne osobne to tak chutí. A to mäso tvorí hlavný chod spolu s kuraťom, klobáskou, slaninou a kapustou. Všetko varené.

Poznámka prekladateľa: Cocido je na španielske zvyklosti dosť ťažké jedlo. Ale veľmi chutné. Dosť pripomína našu zabíjačku. Ale predsa len - slovenská zabíjačka je slovenská zabíjačka!


Nedávné som v jednych španielskych novinách čítal, že v rámci Európy máte jednu z najdlhších pracovných dôb, ale že produktivita práce je jedna z najnižších.

Minerva: Človek všeličo začuje, ale skoro všetko je klamstvo. Máme nízku nezamestnanosť, ľudia sa v práci angažujú. Ušetria málo, lebo chcú dobre žiť, vyjsť si, niečo si kúpiť, užiť si. Preto nemáme v banke žiadne peniaze. Ale poznám málo ľudí, ktorí by žili nad svoje pomery. Nemyslím, že by sme boli v niečom najlepší alebo najhorší.

Jaime: Myslím, že je to veľmi trefné a súhlasím. Predovšetkým kvôli tomu, že oficiálne sa pracuje 8 hodín, ale v skutočnosti to býva viac a nadčasy ani nie sú obyčajne platené. Čo sa týka produktivity, mohlo by to platiť v oblasti služieb. A myslím, že jeden z faktorov, ktoré to najviac ovplyvňujú je prílišná hierarchizácia v podnikových štruktúrach. Okrem toho, je málo vedúcich ľudí. Chcem povedať, že je veľa ľudí riadiacich pracovné tímy, nie sú na to však kvalifikovaní. Či už nie sú schopní, nevedia, alebo ich len nezaujíma, že ľudí treba motivovať, počúvať, predávať pocity a znalosti atď.

Helena: V iných krajinách sa nechápe obed tak ako u nás. My obedujeme dve hodiny, lebo ináč by to nebol obed. Lebo by sme nemali čas venovať sa pri kávičke našim kolegom a priateľom. Využívame čas obeda na uzatváranie kontraktov, reštaurácie na obchodné schôdzky a pohár vína, na rozhovory.

Španielsko je tiež situované na juhu Európy, dlhšie tu svieti slnko. Ak chceš, môžeš viac hodín pracovať.

Avšak vzťah medzi pracovným časom a odmenami je v Španielsku problém.


Rozhovor pripravil a preložil: Stanislav Bačík.



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Od: Palo [návštevník], 16.01.2008
vdaka Stano za prispevok...to by som asi potreboval - spanielske tempo prace :-) vacsina velkomiest v priem.rozv.krajinach je strasne uponahlanych...es necesario comer de prisa,trabajar de prisa y vivir de prisa :-( ...estudio espanol y quiero visitar La Espana...quizas en el ano proximo...
Od: zoja [návštevník], 16.01.2008
super clanocek a vynikajuci napad - urobit mensi prieskum ze ako vidia spanieli samych seba. ja som len mala problem zistit co su to tie zdrze - ale to mas asi na mysli slavne frankove embalses- vodne nadrze - teda aspon ja laik ich tak nazyvam:)))
Od: Stanislav [návštevník], 16.01.2008
Ahoj Zoja, Francove? O tom som veru nepocul. Ale moze veru byt. Som rad, ze sa clanok pacil, urcite je to trosku zmena oproti mojim poslednym prispevkom. Zijes v Spanielsku? Co povies na odpovede ludi? Sedia?
Od: Stanislav [návštevník], 16.01.2008
Hola Palo, pues depende... por ejemplo en Madrid je to pracovne tempo asi predsa len vyssie ako niekde na juhu, na pobrezi. A ze inde je treba napr. rychlo zit? Nuz, tu clovek tiez nema moc volneho casu. Uz len to cestovanie z prace a do prace. Viva el metro! Inac, vdaka za komentar. Tak uz len do Spanielska dojst. Spanielcina ti uz predsa ide.
Od: Stanislav [návštevník], 16.01.2008
Ahoj vsetkym citajucim, potreboval by som z Madridu dostat na Slovensko nejaku batozinu. Nejazdite niekto tuto trasu autom? Resp. nepoznate niekoho, kto by pomohol alebo poradil? Alebo, poznate nejaky relativne lacny (nie posta, ani lietadlo) ako dopravit nejake veci na Slovensko? Vopred vdaka za akukolvek pomoc.
Od: Palo [návštevník], 17.01.2008
hmm...vivo en Canada y este marzo voy a viajar a La Argentina y Chile...a La Espana quizas en 2009...:-) ...estudio espanol...pero no hablo mucho...necesito practicar mas...dufam,ze sa v tej Juznej Amerike niekde nestratim...hasta luego.
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...asi som to s tymi "La" trocha prehnal :-)...
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Ahojky. Ja chcem reagovat na Pala. Ja momentane zijem v Chile tak ked tu budes tak sa ozvi....
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fakt suepr clanok:)...este tam nezijem...a v MAdride ani nebudem, ale chystam sa stahovat z Prahy do Barcelony:)..Diki PAlo za vsetky tie informacie co tu zverejnujes:)..
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Dobry den chcel by som sa opytat ci by ste nam vedeli pomoct najst si tu v spanielsku pracu. prisli sme sem cez cesku ag. ktora nas akurat pripravila o peniaze.
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ahoj chcela by som sa dozvedieť ako je to vlastne v španielsku s ich siestou... existuje ešte niečo také cez obed? a dokedy je zvyčajná pracovná doba? ďakujem
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Ahoj, siesta stale existuje. A cim dalej na juh, tym si nou mozes byt istejsia. Tam je totiz v lete taky hic, ze sa v poobednajsom case nic ine ako oddychovat ani neda. Samozrejme je rozdiel medzi vidiekom a velkomestom, tiez je podstatne, o aky typ prace sa jedna (v klimatizovanej kancelarii sa da pracovat bez ohladu na pocasie). A cas potrebny na siestu je akosi sucastou obednajsej pauzy. Ci uz sa po jedle pojdes prejst do parku, pokecas si s kolegami alebo si zdriemnes na trave (to radi napr. taki robotnici na stavbach - proste sa natiahnu pod strom a zdriemnu si).
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